Petition to the Minister of Regulation

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Why I signed the Petition

Name                      City                     Date                                                    Comment

Tony Flay                          NZ          11/02/2024                      “I have been a vehicle inspector for 30 years including working in vehicle compliance. I have seen and helped many people trying to bring in good classic and collectible cars. In my opinion the industry has become over regulated and often staffed by people with no understanding of classic cars, and many cars have been failed for not meeting standards that didn’t exist when the cars were manufactured.  I have also seen cars repeatedly fail on a moving list of items that have  no bearing on safety,  which is a money grabbing exercise for the inspection organizations.”

Richard Gudsell               NZ          11/02/2024                      “Everything outlined is correct.The six month warrant is absolutely ridiculous.Most people with older vehicles keep them in tip top order.Whats more worrying is the 3 year warrant on new vehicles.A lot can happen in 3 years.”

leonard croucher            Christchurch      NZ          11/02/2024                      “existing compliance rules are absurd.”

Christopher Bird             picton   NZ          11/02/2024                      “I believe the current regulations do no make it easy for enthusiasts to mother heritage vehicles”

Mark Masters   Stratford            NZ          11/02/2024                      “6 month WOF for my 1946 MG TC makes absolutely no sense. Vehicles of this age do so little kms that any safety fault develops gradually and is easily picked up at a yearly WOF but more often than not by the owner  who tends to be a semi mechanic anyway. We have to be to keep them on the road.”

Dave Barbierato              Christchurch      NZ          11/02/2024                      “I have 2 classic cars which I keep maintained myself but it seems that the regulations are there to be as awkward as possible for genuine car enthusiasts.”

Keith Pickford                  NZ          11/02/2024                      “I believe the present requirements and classic and vintage cars is ridiculous for the limited use and mileage they do.”

Kevin Butler       Queenstown     NZ          11/02/2024                      “Sometimes my classic car does less than 200ks a year and pay for two WOF checks.”

Brian Ballantyne             Milton  NZ          11/02/2024                      “I love and own classic cars and agree”

Eugene Bennett                             NZ          11/02/2024                      “I have a classic car which like many is well maintained and does way less ks than modern daily drivers. The UK changed tue MOT and License rules yrs ago as they found no reason to tax and MOT them…”

richard ramson Palmerston North           NZ          11/02/2024                      “Agree with most pf these proposals, change is required. All trailers should also not require WOF every six months, some only get used a few times a year.”

mike Todd                        NZ          11/02/2024                      “i like old cars”

Stephen Smith  Gisborne            NZ          11/02/2024                      “my vintage cars average less than 1000 miles a year each, sometimes i go for a warrant and the car has done 200kms. ridicules”

Phill reid             rangiora             NZ          11/02/2024                      “I have a classic car and very well maintained”

Andy McGillen  Timaru NZ          11/02/2024                      “The current laws are absurd and just do not work. Too old and out of date. Bring in these new amendments that do work and are long overdue.”

Sefton Banks     Auckland            NZ          11/02/2024                      “Love all and everything automotive”

Alex Johnson     Auckland            NZ          11/02/2024                      “I have spent too much on 6 monthly wofs on my 80 year old WW2 historic NZ army jeep.”

Chris PALMER    Taupo   NZ          11/02/2024                      “I’ve been involved in classic and vintage cars ,owning and also selling them prior to retirement,I believe the current vin situation is extremely unfair to collectors and car enthusiast, making the upkeep and ownership very expensive,”

Bryan James      Waitakere          NZ          11/02/2024                      “Because I whole heartily agree with it”

Peter Garrett Garrett     Oamaru              NZ          11/02/2024                      “Peter Garrett”

Brett Nolan        Waikato              NZ          11/02/2024                      “Collectible and classic vehicles generally aren’t used continuously and in most cases are better cared for than your every day car. Removing the 6 monthly WoF requirement is a sensible idea.”

Bruce Noel         Auckland            NZ          11/02/2024                      “I have 2 x MK2 golf’s that are currently in storage that need to be put back on the road but the current laws have alot of red tape for modifications and these vehicles have been modified extensively overseas with genuine vw parts but in NZ it is heavily frowned upon. Would really love to drive these vehicles one day”

Mike Garrett      Tapanui, Otago NZ          11/02/2024                      “Because some of the regulations are over the top and hinder the preservation of heritage.”

Vince TeBrake                 AU         11/02/2024                      “For cars that are rarely used, mainly only several weekends a year, the rules and compliance fees are too onerous when you consider the minimal road use they get. Other countries such as Australia have a cheaper historic vehicle registration which permits a vehicle to be used for around 60 days per annum.”

Wayne Pennington                       NZ          11/02/2024                      “Because what happens at the moment is draconian”

Pam Thomson                 NZ          11/02/2024                      “I have classic cars and have been through this process. And now I hear that maf officers who are not qualified as a body inspector turning vehicles down at the boarder for dents .”

tyler robinson   Christchurch      NZ          11/02/2024                      “I’m a classic car enthusiast and wof inspector and would like to see the ruling changed. One rule should not apply to all vehicles over a 100 year old span of time.”

keith powles      Auckland            NZ          11/02/2024                      “My classic car does less than 100kilometres a year!! 6onrhs w.o.f.s are ridiculous .”

Stephen Brennan            Christchurch      NZ          11/02/2024                      “I agree”

Callum Dickson Gore     NZ          11/02/2024                      “Classic vehicle owner, do not see why classics that travel such low mileage (last year one of mine did less than 200km) are subject to 6 Month WOF Inspections. Agree with them being annually”

keith ballantine waiuku NZ          11/02/2024                      “It’s a bloody great idea”

Thomas Mckay Dunedin             NZ          11/02/2024                      “I like the idea”

Allen and Kay McKenzie               NZ          11/02/2024                      “I personally know people who have pre 1960 vehicles who have spent thousands of dollars on perfectly sound, road worthy vehicles trying to comply with someone’s interpretation of a complex unworkable rule book.”

Blake Coverdale                            NZ          11/02/2024                      “Because the hoops people have to jump through to enjoy their hobby is unreasonable.”

Phil Cregeen      Whangarei         NZ          11/02/2024                      “I am restoring a 1955 Land Rover, and believe the current rules are unecessarily onerous to get it back on the road”

Linc Teale           Christchurch      NZ          11/02/2024                      “The existing NZ regulations are much more prohibitive that most other countries and are not only affecting our classic/vintage car heritage, but holding back our economy and our primary production.”

Dave Harkness  Te Kauwhata     NZ          11/02/2024                      “I am a classic car enthusiast.”

Kevin Van de water        Dunedin             NZ          11/02/2024                      “I would like to be able to enjoy my old car hobby in my retirement an not lost that ability because of legislation that seems to be designed to prevent me from doing that.”

Harry Hines                      NZ          11/02/2024                      “This makes sense concerning my veteran vehicle. The 6 month trip for wof is a fair proportion of her running time!!”

David Craig        Auckland            NZ          11/02/2024                      “I’m a responsible classic car owner and agree / support this petition.”

Glenette Thompson       Katikati NZ          11/02/2024                      “Glenette & Ray Thompson We have classic vehicles and rules need to be adjusted”

Bruce Clay          Invercargill         NZ          11/02/2024                      “I am a classic car owner/ enthusiast”

Earl Mclarnon                  NZ          11/02/2024                      “The sight of old cars can’t beat”

Bevan Martinovich         Auckland            NZ          11/02/2024                      “Because the people that are building, rebuilding or importing them in to NZ are doing it because they love thier cars, and want to enjoy them”

bruce hamilton Auckland            NZ          12/02/2024                      “To much burocractic interference in every facet of the motor industry”

kevin lawrie       Christchurch      NZ          12/02/2024                      “i have both,vintage,84 years old. and a collectible,53 years old.”

Lindsay Lyons                  NZ          12/02/2024                      “In Australia they embrace classic cars, while here in NZ the powers that be seem to be hell bent on getting them off the road by way over the top certing requirements, or by exorbitant costs. I suggest that most classic cars would be the most cared for and well maintained cars in New Zealand. So why make it such an expensive and an onerous task in owning one?.”

Anita Miller                      NZ          12/02/2024                      “Feels like Im a cash cow when my 52yo classic car sits under covers and does 200km between WOF’s. Its never failed a WOf coz I look after it”

Philip Barbrook Auckland            NZ          12/02/2024                      “I love classic cars and it so difficult to get one back on the road. Too many regulations and far too expensive.”

Damian Muir     Christchurch      NZ          12/02/2024                      “I have an old vehicle that needs a six monthly warrant, which I find unnecessary as it does low ks between warrants .”

Roger Taylor      Dunedin             NZ          12/02/2024                      “I own and collect older cars”

Ben Chester       Auckland            NZ          12/02/2024                      “At the very least please change the 6 month WOF to 1 year.”

Alan Dunkley     auckland            NZ          12/02/2024                      “We need this”

Peter Robertson              Napier  NZ          12/02/2024                      “I have 4 vehicles that I maintain and register. Wof seems bizarre when they each only do about 200 km a year.”

Dale Badham    auckland            NZ          12/02/2024                      “I own a 50+ year old classic vehicle that is inspected to a level only a modern car will pass. This means convincing a less than knowledgeable inspector every 6 months that my car is still as safe as it was 1000miles ago, despite constant upgrades and maintenance this has only gotten harder over the years as inspectors from this vehicles era retire.”

Michael Jackson              Christchurch      NZ          12/02/2024                      “I believe that you have the right to own a classic car . These vehicles have so many different values to people,  including memories of loved ones , a passion to keep classics alive and respect of how we have grown up in these vehicles that shouldn’t be put on a scrap heap just because something new has come along .”

Dion Congdon   Hamilton            NZ          12/02/2024                      “Most older collector vehicles are well maintained don’t do a big milage. They are part of New Zealands history.”

sarah caves        whangarei          NZ          12/02/2024                      “Classic cars need to be kept on the road. They are a part of history and teach young people about vehicles that are no longer being made.”

Dean Chamberlain                        NZ          12/02/2024                      “My classic car travels less than 3000km a year. Six month WOF is excessive”

John Chandler                 NZ          12/02/2024                      “I believe it is unfair, what next tax people who collect diecast models!”

Mark Sanderson                            NZ          12/02/2024                      “Love cars and over the overboard regulations”

Phil McDonald  Tauranga            NZ          12/02/2024                      “I’m the owner of a classic car.”

WENDY BURN   CHRISTCHURCH NZ          12/02/2024                      “Old cars are generally loved and cared for, every 6 months mot is crazy and unnecessary and mostly not driven in a day to day situation”

Noel Williamson             Paraparaumu    NZ          12/02/2024                      “Rules need to change”

Kevin Brown      Invercargill         NZ          12/02/2024                      “It makes total sense”

Neville Wrack    Whangarei         NZ          12/02/2024                      “I am sick of 6 mouth warrants.”

Brad Taylor        Hamilton            NZ          12/02/2024                      “I am a military vehicle collector and many WOF inspectors expect these old vehicles to behave like modern cars doing 110km. These vehicles get fully checked by their owners before going on the road brakes, steering, wheels, lights, nuts bolts everything no modern car driver would do this before every drive.”

Dave Thomas    Hamilton            NZ          12/02/2024                      “Getting a wof every 6 months for my 58 Bel Air which i loved to take to car shows and finding very few testing stations that understood classic cars was always a problem. The car did less than 50 miles per year.”

Paul Richards    Dunedin             NZ          12/02/2024                      “I am a car guy and own a 1974 Pontiac Transam”

Bruce Richards  christchurch      NZ          12/02/2024                      “The regulations as they stand are way over the top like most things in newzealand go from one extreme to the other.”

Les Elmer           Auckland            NZ          13/02/2024                      “I own a 94 year old motorbike and a 60 year old car. Both are deeply cherished, & kept safe and well so that I also stay safe and well when out on/in them.”

Andy Noble        Blenheim            NZ          13/02/2024                      “I own a 50yr old Triumph Stag”

Emma Lodge     Auckland 0632  NZ          13/02/2024                      “This is unfair to classic car owners help keep people’s passions alive and its a big part of history on the road.”

Gary Rush          Auckland            NZ          13/02/2024                      “I believe in the personal rights of every New Zealander”

Richard Langford            Auckland            NZ          13/02/2024                      “Common sense really.”

Daniel Armstrong                          NZ          13/02/2024                      “As an authorized vehicle inspector of 10 years and having a collection of Classic/Collectable vehicles myself, the current system is ridiculous! New Zealand NEEDS to move to a system similar to what is seen overseas. A brand new vehicle in daily use can cover 20,000-30,000km per year and is not required to have its first SAFTEY INSPECTION for 3 years. Some Classic Cars will cover as little as 50-100kms in 6 months but require an inspection regardless of the mileage travelled. Help us out David!”

Marcus Cullen   Chch     NZ          13/02/2024                      “1976 Hillman Avenger”

Kirsty Schrieber Whangamata    NZ          13/02/2024                      “I have a classic car & the rules are ridiculously hard to get anything changed with it”

Patrick Pascoe   Picton   NZ          13/02/2024                      “I am signing because I have a number of vehicles that do very little milage between WOF.”

Mitch Perkins    Auckland            NZ          13/02/2024                      “I have 2 classic Toyota, one of which I have owned for 20 years and for some reason I need to get a wof every 6 months on a car with so little to go wrong on it it never fails. Fast forward to a 2001 Holden captiva one of the most unreliable cars on the planet gets a one year WoFs despite being an inferior product. At the very least a 6 month wof should be half the cost of a 1 year WoFs seeing that they need two.”

Paul Faulkner                   NZ          13/02/2024                      “I have classic cars & I agree with the petition. Classic cars are definitely looked after by their owners.”

Geoffrey James               NZ          13/02/2024                      “Dealing with Waka Kotahi 2 years ago to get my classic car re-vinned because of their error was a nightmare. Actually getting to talk to a member of their staff with technical competence was almost impossible.  It took 3 months to sort out, ending with a not very sincere written apology from them.  The full story is here: https://geoffjames.blogspot.com/2021/10/halleluja.html.  The whole process requires streamlining and perhaps they can then concentrate on really important issues with fewer admin staff.”

Andy Bray                         NZ          13/02/2024                      “The compliance admin and cost  vs real safety risk is unproven for collectable and classic vehicles. Generally cherished and low usage.”

Richard Elsley    AUCKLAND         NZ          13/02/2024                      “I am in the early stages of restoring a 1973  English sports car, I know several people who have done restorations and they ALL say the same thing – it’s a nightmare dealing with the certifies etc. My car was imported from the UK in 1982 and put into storage about 1983, fully registered in NZ, regrettably I let the rego lapse. I have NZ ownership papers, NZ registration plates but this appears to be of no help when it comes to the powers that be, I still have to jump through many expensive hoops as if a resto isn’t expensive enough as it is. The car when completed will be better than it was when it was new, surely a WOF inspection after resto completion is sufficient to then be able to re register the car.”

chris jack                           NZ          13/02/2024                      “older cars needing a vin inspection is govt overkill”

Charmaine ANDRESEN  Cambridge         NZ          14/02/2024                      “Love old cars! Price of rego wof and fuel too costly for many of these awesome iconic cars. They are priceless old antiques of yesteryear.”

Don Simms        Christchurch      NZ          14/02/2024                      “Less unnecessary bureaucracy and regulation. It is common sense.”

Dick Gurney       Christchurch      NZ          14/02/2024                      “I own 3 classic cars, am a qualified mechanic and maintain them in good order as do the majority of owners. As for those few who don’t maintain their vehicles how do we ensure those vehicles are roadworthy ?”

david ritchie      hamilton            NZ          14/02/2024                      “Old cars and 4x4s are cared for far more meticulously then new and post 2000 vehicles. Stop treating them like compliance checks when they come for a wof.”

Jason svensson Hastings             NZ          15/02/2024                      “I have a classic car which is a kiwi icon.  It it maintained and presented to a very high standard yet I have to get a warrant every 6 months, often, not even completed over 200km between inspections.   In most instances, classic car’s have modernized safety improvements like brake upgrades as this adds to the overall comfort and security of driving the vehicle, yet come under more scrutiny than a car that doesn’t require a warrant as often.  Generally, classic car’s are obtained by older or Mature owners who make huge financial investments so take it apon themselves to ensure they are in the best working order.   This often includes significant upgrades to handling, braking, steering, but with the current certification rules, this can quite often be unnecessarly difficult (and costly) to achieve.   There is also a significant difference in the type of car’s we have in our “special interest vehicles” in NZ  Generally older classic car’s or modern (very high powered) performance Vehicles. I feel the classic car’s are tarnished with the same brush as the modern high performance Vehicles so I believe there needs to be more of a distition between the two. More often than not, older classic car’s are low speed Cruzers yet a looked at like high performance Vehicles wich also insure unnecessary scrutiny and costs for compliance.   In all, eveyone with a older classic car wants (and ensures) the highest of safety at all times, yet current certification rules and guidelines have been adapted to stamp out the scene altogether, this often has an adverse effect on what LVVTA are wanting to achieve and people either carrying out “illegal” modifications as the current rules are to difficult to work with.  Rather than a mentally of trying to shut the classic car seen down with ridiculous rules and regulations, we should be embracing and encouraging it. This would have significant economic advantages for NZ,  many would invest further in the classic car scene wich would stimulate associated businesses significantly and has the potential to be one of NZ biggest financial “hobbys” simalr to recreational fishing. An industry wich injects millions of dollars to NZs economy every year.”

Val Eadie            Auckland            NZ          15/02/2024                      “Totally agree that all that has been submitted”

andy woodhouse            Auckland            NZ          15/02/2024                      “It needs to change, if a car can pass a wof on import, why make it subject to recompliance?”

Colin Douglas    Auckland            NZ          15/02/2024                      “Collectable cars are a big part of NZ culture and it shouldn’t be so hard to bring in and use old collectable cars on NZ roads”

Michael lagunowitsch                  NZ          15/02/2024                      “6 months WOFs on a well maintained and restored vintage care is a bureaucratic scam. It should be changed to 12 months minimum and/or based on mileage.”

Amanda Smith  Taupo   NZ          15/02/2024                      “This is my parent’s passion”

Howard Smith   Matarangi.         NZ          15/02/2024                      “I fully agree with this petition, and I feel that the cost’s being put on us, that have older cars is just a rip off.”

Michael Nieuwlands      Riverton             NZ          15/02/2024                      “Older vehicles in NZ are over-regulated for little more than the purpose of revenue collection. Especially 6-monthly WOF checks on pre-2000 cars, which as a result has artificially devalued them. “Continuous licensing” should be done away with altogether, it destroys the value of cars for the simple reason that owners have (often unintentionally) missed updating their registration.”

Martin Bramley Papamoa Beach              NZ          16/02/2024                      “I have 2 Vehicle’s that have to get WOF’s every 6Mths – Change of current Obligations is a Must.”

Steven Hill          Auckland            NZ          16/02/2024                      “It’s a logical idea to reduce unnecessary rules and legislation that impedes freedom.”

Darryl Hamilton                             NZ          17/02/2024                      “Old cars are part of our history”

Ryan Blackadder             Christchurch      NZ          17/02/2024                      “6 month registration on a car that might only go 200km between warrants is not necessary.”

Ross Sullivan                    NZ          17/02/2024                      “Wholeheartedly agree with this petition. My classic vehicles are fastidiously maintained to be of a good, working, and roadworthy manner. At the very least increase the WOF renewal period for classic vehicles from 6 to 12 months. At times, within any given 6 month period the majority of mileage added to my classic vehicles are driving them to and from the garage to have their WOF inspection carried out.”

Peter Jones        Christchurch      NZ          17/02/2024                      “I own a few collectable cars nuilt before the year 2000 and think 6 month WOFs on cars that are well maintained is an unnecessary cost.”

Craig Smith        Christchurch      NZ          17/02/2024                      “I have an 72 ford I brought back from Australia. Whilst I do have some rust repairs, I have to spend nearly a grand to get it inspected before the repairs start. I can do the mechanical work but not the rust. If it passes a wof what’s the difference”

IAN JOHNSTON AUCKLAND         NZ          17/02/2024                      “HISTORY ..we need to keep our passed to remember where we came from and where we need too go … old cars have personality/ sole … moden cars are just stamped out !”

alex davidson    nelson  NZ          18/02/2024                      “I think the rules regarding classic vehicles in nz are outdated and unfair.”

G Mark O’Connor           Cheltenham       NZ          18/02/2024                      “This is my hobby”

Dave Crompton              Hawera NZ          18/02/2024                      “As a Classic car enthusiast I consider the 6 monthly WOF unnecessary. My classic vehicles struggle to cover 1,000km in a year.  I fail to see the reasoning in allowing a 2000 year vehicle used daily permitted to have a 12 month WOF, yet my classic vehicles, used sparingly required to go through the 6 monthly WOF.”

Alistair Pegg                     NZ          18/02/2024                      “I own classic cars and do extensive restoration jobs on many of them. The rego, certification and WOF demands are not suitable for the ammount of miles driven, and the care that is devoted to the upkeep of them.  Whole heartedly agree with the proposed changes listed on this petition.  Too long has the classic/vintage/veteran car fraternity suffered under the yoke of over regulation. I am a relatively young member of this fraternity, if we want to keep our cars on the road and encourage young people to explore and join this interest group, cost need to be kept in check and common sense must prevail.  Please minister consider what is suggested here.”

Frank Cochrane               NZ          19/02/2024                      “I agee with this, especially re the WOF issue, a lot of collectable cars may only do 50kms or less between WOFs they are maintained well and rarely need anything done for a WOF.”

Kevin Watt         Auckland            NZ          19/02/2024                      “It’s very expensive and time consuming to to register an older car.”

Madeline Howe                             NZ          19/02/2024                      “I have classic cars   Way better than the plastic toy cars that are no more than a tinker toys no tinker were metal tin cans”

John Grieve       Auckland            NZ          19/02/2024                      “I agree with the proposed changes”

Jason Dennes                  NZ          19/02/2024                      “The rules are just ridiculous for classic vehicles”

Ane Visser          Palmerston North           NZ          19/02/2024                      “All owners of classic and vintage cars are very dedicated to keep them in the best possibly condition. Simple regulations as proposed here would remove a lot of unnecessary red tape.”

Nic Norman       Alexandra          NZ          19/02/2024                      “I do not believe that these regulations are based on evidence.  Insurance premiums are lower for classic and collectible cars are lower as they are considered less risk. This simple fact confirms that these regulations are not based on evidence. Driver error is the greater determinate of accidents rather than vehicle failure. Classic/collectible cars are driven less, maintained better by careful enthusiasts who do not want to damage their cars, unlike the average car which is more often than not driven by someone who simply wants to get from A to B.”

colin Pickthall    feilding NZ          19/02/2024                      “Because I am the owner of a 1963 Austin A60 Cambridge I only use the car a few times a month and is all ways check before going for a drive it is probably looked after better then a 3 year old car”

Errol Caron        Auckland            NZ          19/02/2024                      “My Humber was made in New Zealand. Preservation of such cultural treasures should be encouraged and celebrated, instead of the current persecution and eradication programme.”

dean stark                        NZ          19/02/2024                      “Because I have a vehicle I bought when I was 15 and still have it at 70 !”

Albert Kritzinger              Porirua NZ          19/02/2024                      “I have an immaculate 78 Corvette and drive 200miles between WOFs which is silly.”

Mike Henderson             Wellington         NZ          19/02/2024                      “It just makes sense!”

Mike baggstrom              Auckland            NZ          20/02/2024                      “Older classic cars are well looed after generally and not used as much but still cost to keep on the road like daily drivers, unfortunately Motorcycles have same issue, But we have to start somewhere -Good luck”

sophie crawford                           NZ          20/02/2024                      “To reduced gas emissions.  Too many cars in the road.  OUR PLANET WERE STRUGGLE TO BREATH. AND WE MUST LOOK AFTER THE PLANET.”

James Tayler     Auckland            NZ          20/02/2024                      “I had a vehicle which had been restored to a high standard fail entry compliance because it had not been restored by a NZ registered engineer. I was told it would have to be stripped including paint to pass the inspection. It was in much better condition than many vehicles on the roads that pass a WOF. This change to regulations would avoid similar unnecessary and expensive issues while maintaining the safety of road users.”

Tanya Watson                 NZ          21/02/2024                      “It all makes perfect sense”

bryan mathieson            nelson  NZ          21/02/2024                      “A warrant every six months for a car driven twice inthat time is to expensive”

tony mac            nelson  NZ          21/02/2024                      “i agree with this in th most part, except the 30 years part should maybe be pre85, anything newer than that is still in regular service, and as a wof inspector of 20 years i still see on a daily basis people do not do as requested when told tyres wont last until next wof, or brake pads will need done soon, they just drive til they cant, next wof cord hanging out, brakes down to metal, expecting people to take charge of their car care themselves is limited, enthusiasts will always look for ways around things and everyday user have a if i dont have to aint gonna attitude, NZ roads are not the same as overseas, its no comparison comparing ours to another country”

Leonardo Fontana          Auckland            NZ          22/02/2024                      “Hostoric vehicles need to be protected as part of our culture.”

Ngaire Phillips   Hamilton            NZ          22/02/2024                      “I have a 50 year old Citroën that i drive occasionally. I  live remotely and find the 6 month WOF requirement extremely onerous and unnecessary.”

Larry Rasmussen                           NZ          23/02/2024                      “I’ve got a 63year old classic that’s been through a 63k body off total rebuild and only gets used to go into town to get a wof every 6 months. Cmon LTSA get some brains and be realistic”

Chris Rae            Nelson  NZ          24/02/2024                      “I love cars and hate seeing drivers and owners being taxed and having their pockets emptied at every chance, by controlling bodies.”

Erik Wardrop    Christchurch      NZ          24/02/2024                      “I like old cars”

Sh Marshall                      NZ          24/02/2024                      “As a collector it is important for our future not to forget the past”

Timothy Church                             NZ          25/02/2024                      “Because I don’t believe in wof.”

Mike Thompson                            NZ          25/02/2024                      “I have many collectible cars, and modern wof is not really applicable, and only 6 months is silly for vehicles that do less than 250km a year”

Glen Collins                      NZ          25/02/2024                      “I have multiple vehicles keeping them in WOF and Registration is alot of time and inconvenience 1 year WOF would be great”

Brenton Park                   NZ          25/02/2024                      “As long as the car is safe, it is part of history and if someone wants to care and keep them up to standard they should be able to”

John Speden      Auckland            NZ          25/02/2024                      “I agree with the direction of the petition”

diane gregor      taranaki              NZ          25/02/2024                      “In total agreement with this petition because it’s using common sense.”

Jesse Schuler     PN         NZ          25/02/2024                      “Old vehicles should be cherished not profited off and inconvenienced because new age fags want the world to be electric”

Gwen Ewing      Dunedin             NZ          25/02/2024                      “I have a number of old cars dating from 1916 to 1963, 4 of them are used regularly and the veterans on special events.  Finding a testing station that can drive the car for testing  purposes is also a challenge . Change is urgently required.”

Greig Harvey                    NZ          25/02/2024                      “Red Tape with no common sense is killing the country…………let people live and enjoy a passion that is good for everyone !!”

Fletcher Glass    Dunedin             NZ          25/02/2024                      “Promote the restoration on vehicles rather than scrapping them.”

Paul Te Punga   Wellington         NZ          25/02/2024                      “Specialist vehicles are in the main cherished and very ell maintained, despite often being driven a very small number of kilometers each year.”

Ray Wilkinson                  NZ          25/02/2024                      “I have a 1934 classic and use it only to keep it in good running order More like a custodian than a road user”

Chris Bouchut                  NZ          25/02/2024                      “I love classic and vintage vehicles and have owen several over the years”

Neville Wills       Gore     NZ          26/02/2024                      “HISTORIC VEHICLES are part of our heritage and are increasingly rare and should be preserved for posterity. This requires maintenance and use of these vehicles and freedom from onerous taxes and ownership costs”

Tom Mazey        Auckland            NZ          26/02/2024                      “My vehicle turns 100 next year, 200 WOF ,100 Regos and years of fun.”

Derrick Jones     Auckland            NZ          26/02/2024                      “Many classic vehicles only cover minimal mileage every 6 months even well under 1000 KM and should not Warrant testing twice a year.”

Garry Brizzell     Auckland            NZ          26/02/2024                      “Ridicously difficult to comply with rules that can’t apply to all.”

Gaire Thompson                           NZ          26/02/2024                      “Alot of great old cars are not being restored because their registration has lappsed and it is not only very expensive to revin them but is totally unnecessary and the new requirements  such as high stop lights don’t look right on most of them .”

John Williams    Marton NZ          26/02/2024                      “As long as the owner is a member of a registered club, this is a no-brainer.”

Matt Hooks                      NZ          26/02/2024                      “I own many classic cars”

Martin Ellis                       NZ          27/02/2024                      “This makes sense.”

Peter Jenkins                   NZ          27/02/2024                      “I have been through this process with a vehicle that was deregistered due to NZTA incompetence in the first place”

Gaylene Shannon                          NZ          28/02/2024                      “We live in a democracy. The government works for the people. This is important to the people.”

Peter Robinson Wanganui          NZ          28/02/2024                      “My two vehicles are both over 50 years old, and are extremely well maintained. However, I must present both for a WOF inspection twice a year, in spite of neither vehicle having travelled more than 2000 km per year. Entirely unnecessary expense.”

Glen Ramsay                    NZ          28/02/2024                      “The cost of shipping an immaculate classic is already high and when landed we also pay GST, emissions tax, MAF Fees, and then need to have the vehicle inspected and inspected before we can license it and use it on the road. A street rod has all of this as well as compliance/certification.”

karl piper           auckland            NZ          28/02/2024                      “I own a classic car”

Clinton Robinson                          NZ          28/02/2024                      “I am sick of our govt sucking all the joy out of life. Enough with taxing us all every way they possibly can.”

Rosemary Cole  Wellington         NZ          28/02/2024                      “these rules are very expensive, unnecessary and petty.”

Kevin Anderson               NZ          28/02/2024                      “I own classic and vintage cars and agree”

Bruce Porter      Napier  NZ          28/02/2024                      “Very important to protect the interests of classic car enthusiasts .The woke lefties are trying to eliminate these cars.”

Andrew Robinson           Rotorua              NZ          28/02/2024                      “I have family members who repair,  collect, and show vintage vehicles; so have shared and understand the pain.”

David Read        Christchurch      NZ          28/02/2024                      “Because as an engineer, our current legislation makes no sense in comparison to other countries rules”

Stefan Gous       Rotorua              NZ          28/02/2024                      “It is unnecessary to regulate collectable cars. Use the time and money wisely not because you can and it’s easy!”

luke miller          Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “Because I am a hobby hotrodder and the amount of red tape for enthusiast, classic, vintage and low volume vehicle owners is ridiculous.”

Brett Boyd          Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “We need to keep the kiwi car culture alove”

Gregory Hine     Nelson  NZ          29/02/2024                      “I have an absolute belief in the premis of this petition! It is not our older vehicles that cause harm on the road. It is more modern vehicles driven dangerously by inept operators given a false sense of security by the vehicles safety features and safety rating. The older vehicles are part of our iconic history and deserve protection as such!”

Sam Coles          Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “I’d accept evidence-based regulations. But do classic and vintage cars actually have more accidents or cause more injuries?  If so, then we do need safety regulations. We know insurance premiums are very low, reflecting their low risk.  What about balancing the benefits of regulations against the costs? Has anyone asked that question, and weighed up the lost economic value of a highly productive and specialised restoration industry?  Should classic vehicles get a 5-year WOF? Maybe…though it could be based on KMs, eg less than 5yrs or 10,000kms travelled = no wof required. Annual milage is how insurance weighs risk.”

Dave Loudon     INVERCARGILL   NZ          29/02/2024                      “I agree with the petition”

Lateef Shariff     Palmerston North           NZ          29/02/2024                      “Because I love old cars”

chilli concarl      auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “I own several classic motorcycles I would like to get back on the road for my retirement,having worked in vehicle restoration all my life I have witnessed compliance issues on vehicles the manufacturer did not even have when built in the 50s-70s,my motorcycles will only be used for rally’s and adventure rides not as Dailey transport”

Matt Railey        Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “There is no reason to impose such high compliance costs on collectible and classic vehicles. These vehicles simply do not cost the government the same as daily driven vehicles therefore should only be charged based on how much they use. This legislation is removing the publics ability to own and maintain these vehicles which are historically significant and efforts should be made to make it fairer and more affordable for people to own them.”

Stef Railey          Wellsford           NZ          29/02/2024                      “I agree with the reasons for this petition.”

Stephen Turner Kaiapoi NZ          29/02/2024                      “I have several older collectable cars that are worth saving for future generations to enjoy”

Shaun Walters  Hastings             NZ          29/02/2024                      “I am a classic, vintage and hot rod owner, repairer and builder incl motorcycles. This will allow us to enjoy our hobby but will still have the responsibility to maintain a high safety standard on our vehicles as we are usually traveling with friends and family and are responsible for their safety. I am happy to be part of the technical assessment team with my local club”

Geoff Mayn       Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “I own a cherish a classic vehicle.”

Jayden Innes-Davies      Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “I have a custom almost classic car and this would help immensely for when it’s done”

Craig Harris        Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “I’m lucky if I drive my classic vehicle once a year and that’s normally for a warrant ,due to current regulation I have both cars on rego hold so I don’t get to legally drive them because of cost”

MARK PARSONS              MATAMATA      NZ          29/02/2024                      “I have several classic and collectable cars that are well maintained and I agree that we are over regulated.”

Darrin Heaven  Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “I have a car that lapsed because the old guy that had it didn’t have the internet and forgot about going to the Post Office.”

Lee Tauranga    Pukekohe           NZ          29/02/2024                      “Interested in the change”

sandra ellery     Auckland            NZ          29/02/2024                      “I think its bloody wrong”

Vaughan Hughes            Christchurch      NZ          1/03/2024                        “I believe current regulations are discriminatory against vehicle enthusiasts who generally keep their cars in better condition than some modern cars are kept. Will shortly become too hard to comply classic cars leading to a loss of historic vehicles which due to the low mileage they do add little pollution.”

William Cameron            Masterton          NZ          1/03/2024                        “The over the top regulation involved with keeping a vintage vehicle road legal means that less people can afford to matainan older vehicle and therefore less vintage cars are kept on the road.”

Hamish Pitcaithly                          NZ          1/03/2024                        “It’s just common sense. These cars were already on the road”

John Fenton                     NZ          1/03/2024                        “Cut the regs down wof is all you should have to do”

hayden Hosken Hamilton            NZ          1/03/2024                        “Getting old classic cars to be enjoyed by everyone is far too difficult and expensive”

Campbell Dodds             Palmerston North           NZ          1/03/2024                        “The rules are outdated. If you want to perform a safety improvement like upgrading brakes, you then have to have it certified. This is just one of many examples.”

Heath Hitchcock              New Plymouth  NZ          1/03/2024                        “These vehicles are part of world and New Zealand history and can be found in museums. And for people to put their energy time, money and love into  these  exceptional old vehicles. So that generations of people can enjoy the spectacle of these beautiful machines,  and realise that to there grandparents these were everyday items.”

Rose Lee             Christchurch      NZ          2/03/2024                        “classic cars are historical vehicles and used for special events or some for museum collections. eg Fords, Austins, etc”

TOM COCKERILL                            NZ          2/03/2024                        “Here has always been interests in our older vehicles and the heavy handedness of the current WOF standards need to be reviewed.”

Ian McGowan   Auckland            NZ          2/03/2024                        “I agree completely with what is being requested. We lived in Western Australia for a few years recently. They have no vehicle checks at all unless the rego lapses or you bring it in from another state. It then requires a Road worthy check which is no where near as complex as our WOF inspection. The police can deregister a car on the side of the road if they want, and they remove the number plates on the spot. This also helps big time eliminating boy racer problems. I believe in other states you have to get a Road worthy whenever the vehicle changes hands. I don’t believe Western Australia has any problems with unsafe vehicles in fact there is noticeably far less cars there with a light bulb out than what we see in NZ mainly because people check them regularly rather than risking deregistration”

Adam Roberts   Hamilton            NZ          2/03/2024                        “Classic cars made us get where we are today! Some are worth more than your fancy houses.  I’ve met all walks of life from cars, if it was because of sharing the same interest I’d never have half the friends these days I call family 🧡”

John Rapley                     NZ          2/03/2024                        “I want to keep our vehicle history alive.”

Robin Williams  Invercargill         NZ          3/03/2024                        “Many many peopleove to restore and use cars from yesteryear.  It should be their decision whether to or not.”

roger wadham  blenheim            NZ          3/03/2024                        “Owner of classic car, we do need a more fair and logical wof system in nz.”

Kenny Holiday                 NZ          3/03/2024                        “Collectable cars are of historical value to our culture.”

Shelley Simpson              Auckland            NZ          3/03/2024                        “It’s crazy going to get a WOF on a 97 year old vehicle when it might have only done 1000k since the previous one,”

Antonio Monteleone                    NZ          3/03/2024                        “The rules for classic cars in NZ are onerous and absurd. The rules should be similar to Australia where there isnt this ridiculous rule that classic cars are subjected to engineering certification standards that apply to the likes of NEW cars. this kills the classic car industry. A WOF every 6months when most classic car owner only drive their car 2-3 times a year is absurd.”

Christopher Haliday       Auckland            NZ          4/03/2024                        “I see no value in penalising an automobile enthusiast that restore and care for a mechanical work of art and may occasionally display at automobile events for public appreciation.  Free the regulatory bonds that stifle this kiwi passion to restore and preserve classic cars.”

Igor Pakhomov Auckland            NZ          4/03/2024                        “I spent 3 months and have to wait another 2 or more, just to register my 68 years old motorcycle (barn find), which will spend about 10kms per year maybe on the roads and will never be on a motorway. Spent money and time collecting documents and filling endless forms. Need to make more sense in this nonsense”

John Skevington              Ashburton         NZ          4/03/2024                        “The current 6 month WOF is unnecessary  for our classic cars. They cover limited mileage annually and are kept in mint condition .”

Nicholas Cressey             Auckland            NZ          4/03/2024                        “I have a 1935 classic car in excellent condition. A 6 monthly wof is ridiculous but required by regulators who lack knowledge.”

Zasar Klopper                  NZ          4/03/2024                        “I like old cars”

Hunter Clarke    Clyde    NZ          4/03/2024                        “Of the useless system we have now is not working  Let’s just make it easier on everyone”

Tim Follett          Wellington         NZ          4/03/2024                        “This makes perfect sense”

Pree Lecamwasam                        NZ          4/03/2024                        “Regulations should make sense and not onerous and overly expensive”

Christopher Surgenor                  NZ          5/03/2024                        “I own a vintage vehicle kept to a high and safe standard. I believe the ideas outlined in this petition offer common sense practical solutions.”

Damien Aspros Christchurch      NZ          5/03/2024                        “The current settings are far to onerous”

bruce ericksen  rotorua NZ          5/03/2024                        “I have been into hotroding and cars most of my life, buying my first hot rod project when I was 10 years old. Fortunately for me  I had a lot of family support and guidance  and the car scene has given my self and my family a lifestyle that many will never understand.”

Wayne Hutchison           Auckland            NZ          5/03/2024                        “We have a 1938 lancia and nzta has made it completely hell to register and vin such a fantastic classic”

David Roddick                 NZ          5/03/2024                        “I have a few old cars only get out of shed once or twice a year”

Caleb Harvey     Hastings             NZ          5/03/2024                        “I have a lapsed Lancia HPE I can’t afford to reregister otherwise but can definitely afford to Wof.”

Phil King                            NZ          6/03/2024                        “We have a small car collection and are wasting vehicle inspectors time keeping them road legal.”

Kathryn Christensen      Cambridge         NZ          6/03/2024                        “As a co-owner of two classic 1960 cars, we are sick of the blatant unjustified revenue gathering. The condition of the NZ roads means we are faced with repairs almost every time we go out, which isn’t often to car events. Our cars are not daily drivers, are garaged and well kept. The present system is archaic,  blatant money gathering and does not serve the classic car community who deserve better.”

Michael Grunfeld            Auckland            NZ          8/03/2024                        “I rarely ride my classic motorcycles and paying wof and Rego after 200km every 6 months seems crazy.”

Angela Smith     Auckland            NZ          9/03/2024                        “I  would be rapt if the re-vin for lapsed rego was wiped.  It is just pointless and expensive red tape.  Cars are part of history and enthusiasts are generally, good, hard-working members of society.  Why should it be made difficult to enjoy your passion?  I have heard some horror stories about vehicle testers who seem to be on a power trip and almost want to make it difficult, if nigh impossible,  to get a vintage car back on the road….legally. .”

Robert Sproat                  NZ          10/03/2024                      “No regulation is required”

Douglas Owens Tauranga            NZ          11/03/2024                      “Preserve our history”

Robyn Ganley    Whangamata    NZ          11/03/2024                      “We have 2 classic/hot rod cars, both kept in pristine condition.  6 months wof is ridiculous because cars are not driven daily and only drive to car shows & hot rod events, so wear & tear is minimal”

Ruth Dray-Smith             Hamilton            NZ          11/03/2024                      “We are owners of three old VWs – they are a classic car that always make people smile at us when we’re driving them. Often we’ve only driven a couple of hundred kms between the six monthly WOFs – it’s onerous and unnecessary.”

philip hurring    Auckland            NZ          12/03/2024                      “I have seen many classic car owners hit with hugely expensive and over-reaching “compliance” costs and demands that frankly are often ridiculous and have little to do with the structural integrity or the safety of their vehicles. Its high time for an overhaul of the regulations.”

Carole Fathers  Wellington         NZ          12/03/2024                      “Cars such as Triump Stags and MGs should be protected hence regulations for licensing and fuel supply needs must be continued”

Noel Simons      Christchurch      NZ          12/03/2024                      “Due to the number of classisc vehicles that are only being driven a few times a year.”

John Hillyer        Christchurch      NZ          12/03/2024                      “A fully sensible request for the types of vehicles stated. May “common sense” prevail ?”

Noeline Service               NZ          15/03/2024                      “Ditto to all reasons by those signed”

Jason Bough      auckland            NZ          15/03/2024                      “Im signing because I am a classic car enthusiast and the proposed changes make perfect sense.”

David Hood       Palmerston North           NZ          16/03/2024                      “There is too much unnecessary bureaucracy involved in registration, certification and WOFs for classic and vintage vehicles. This can be easily simplified, making the hobby more enjoyable for everyone.”

Lynda Spicer      Hamilton            NZ          17/03/2024                      “Owner of Vintage & Classic vehicles where mileage a year is minimal generally. This therefore needs recognition and for these vehicles not treated the same as the modern vehicles which are used on a daily basis as far as legislation is concerned.  Exemptions need to be seriously considered for these vehicles which are a massive part of our New Zealand motoring history”

Ross Gardiner   Auckland            NZ          17/03/2024                      “when I have restored a vehicle, it is as new. A one off WOF or club inspection is OK ,but since I rarely take my collection out on the road , a 6mth wof is totally unnecessary, as they would possibly never do more than 500km /yr”

Andrew Hammond        Cambridge         NZ          17/03/2024                      “The rules need changing!”

Mick Smith         Auckland            NZ          17/03/2024                      “I am a responsible and knowledgable vintage car collector. The current regulations are not geared towards the continuation of the restored vehicles which are a part of motoring history and should not be included with regulations for newer vehicles.”

Bri Grace                           NZ          17/03/2024                      “Cut the red tape honestly. I have a vintage Mercedes and a collectable Toyota, they are both used very rarely as weekend drivers. Kept in the most impeccable condition, the costs involved with owning an older vehicle is unreasonable, given the care and respect that goes into the upkeep of them.”

Eric Pemberton Auckland            NZ          17/03/2024                      “I have a few collectable vehicles that are getting hard to comply with these new requirements”

John Gartshore Auckland            NZ          17/03/2024                      “I believe in this petition”

Dave M.              Rotorua              NZ          17/03/2024                      “We owners; collectors of these old; possible historical vehicles should be thanked for preserving them for posterity.  Some countries ( UK ) give FREE rego to vehicles over a certain age!!   Why not here too???”

Barry Hilton                     NZ          18/03/2024                      “Minimal usage and annual mileage do not justify full regulatory charges currently in place”

John Downie                    NZ          19/03/2024                      “because I love motoring history and obtained 4 derelicts before 46 years ago. I am poor, but love working hard to get them so that pedestrians appreciate them.  I often have to help the WOF station as they love them but don’t have the experience.  One had to call me to put a 1928 bike on its stand! He was stranded calling for help.”

Adrian Schonborn                         NZ          20/03/2024                      “Seems fair to have these regulations in place. I have myself a fully restored BMW AC Schnitzer which probably better than any other 3 to 5 year old car and had to go for 6 month wof even so barely use in the summer.”

Dot Louie           Auckland            NZ          20/03/2024                      “I am tired of classic collectibles and vintage motor vehicles being hit with superfluous regulations.  It is just milking the owners for revenue”

Andrew Grieve  Wanganui          NZ          20/03/2024                      “I own these vehicles which do around 400km a year. all the 6 months wof’s are overkill”

Mark Quinneys Nelson  NZ          20/03/2024                      “I am a classic car owner and find the rules for importing and restoring to just make it all too hard.”

 

The Petition 

To the Minister for Regulation, the Hon David Seymour

We, the undersigned, petition the Minister for Regulation to remove onerous, expensive and unwarranted regulation related to older, collectible motor vehicles intended for domestic, social, recreational or promotional purposes. A “collectible motor vehicle” is 30 years old or older with historic value, this includes a “vintage motor vehicle” as defined in Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011 s3 (40 years or older).  We petition for the following changes:

  1. No VIN inspection on first-time collectible motor vehicle imports; instead a WOF or club inspection.
  2. NO VIN inspection on lapsed collectible motor vehicles, instead re-register after a one-time WOF.
  3. No WOF on 40 year old collectible motor vehicles, five-year WOF for 30-40 year old collectibles, and elimination of the 6 month WOF on motor vehicles made before 2000 (one year for 3-30 years).
  4. Low Volume (modified) collectible motor vehicle regulations to be developed in consultation with specialist car clubs (such as hot rod clubs) to ensure safety while controlling costs and avoiding unreasonable compliance demands

Why: Collectible vehicles are cherished, generally kept in good condition and not used as daily drivers. Yet they are subject to onerous regulation promoted by persons with pecuniary interest such as the Motor Trade Association, AA, approved entry certifiers, LVV Certifiers and others who benefit from regulation and who retain influential lobbyists with contacts within the regulatory ministries. The authorised certifiers are for the most part unfamiliar with historic vehicles and the regulations become a barrier to enjoyment of the collectable vehicle hobby and deprives NZ of an important part of its culture that is worthy of preservation.

Overseas: In the UK, a highly-regulated nation, vehicles 3-40 years have one year WOF equivalent (MOT) and over 40 years are exempt from WOF equivalent, road tax, are permitted in ULEZ zones and new imports pay a GST equivalent of 5% (or zero) and only must pass a WOF equivalent initial inspection, not the onerous inspection called VIN. In France, after 30 years, the WOF equivalent is good for 5 years, not the 6 months in NZ.

History: Before regulations adopted in response to used car dealers importing written-off, flood damaged Japanese used cars, New Zealand had one of the most talented classic car restoration industries in the world. In a “do-something” response to flood-damaged cars, the government reacted with a much stricter regime, but failed to consider older collectable vehicles that were swept up in new regulations not appropriate for them. This badly damaged the collectible-vehicle industry and became a barrier for ordinary Kiwis to enjoy their safe, low-impact hobby that preserves living history.

We petition for the following changes.  

1)       First-Time Import: For motor vehicles over 30 years of age (built or first registered), eliminate “proof of compliance with vehicle standards” (known as the VIN inspection). Instead require the vehicle either pass a Warrant of Fitness inspection or pass an inspection by a recognised car club familiar with the marque and qualified to identify defects that would make the vehicle unsafe on New Zealand roads. Once passed, an Approved Entry Certifier (such as AA or VINZ) confirms the vehicle is legally owned by the applicant, the vehicle identifier has not been tampered with, and assigns a VIN to be recorded in LANDATA for tracking and enforcement purposes. Set a fixed fee of $50 for the vehicle identifier process and a total fee of $50 for the registration plate (which may have a historic identifier on it, should the regulators prefer)

2)       Lapsed Registration: For motor vehicles over 30 years, do not require a VIN inspection if the registration lapses. Add 30-year-old or older collectible vehicles to Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011 Sched. 2 Part 1: Motor vehicles exempt from continuous licensing requirement.

3)       Warrant of Fitness (WOF): Eliminate the 6 month WOF, and when a vehicle reaches 30 years, the WOF runs for 5 years, and when a vehicle becomes a vintage vehicle (40 years) exempt it from WOF with an exemption sticker to prevent ticketing by traffic wardens.  This does not eliminate the obligation of the driver to keep the vehicle in roadworthy condition, subject to enforcement by the police.

4)       Substantial modification: In consultation with specialist vehicle clubs develop regulations to permit modifications (such as hot rods) that ensure road safety while limiting regulatory costs and delays. This may include club technical committees to approve a set of predefined changes that can be replicated without repetitive engineering documentation.

 

 

Help!


 

 

The collectible motor vehicle community needs your help.  ASAP!

Its simple. The rules are not written for the collectible motor vehicle industry – an industry (or passion) that contributes $16.5 billion to the NZ economy. It suffers from rules written for the Daily Driver industry – import of used, late model cars primarily from Japan.

Why?

Collectible motor vehicles are not a part of the transport system. They are a hobby, a passion or an avocation. Modern New Zealand was built on motor vehicles, and this history is being preserved by 200,000 amateurs who invest time and significant money for the pleasure of it.

As an industry, it does not ask for government subsidies, but only to eliminate regulations that are not fit for purpose. The rules on importing cars are not written for collectibles, but serve as a major obstacle. Same with WOF rules.

Rules not fit for purpose: Collectibles as collateral damage

TERMS

  • Daily Driver (DD): A new or used motor vehicle used to accomplish the chores of daily life, including commuting, shopping, recreation, transporting children and others who do not drive, as well as commercial use. Daily drivers are transport vehicles mostly sold by the motor trade.
  • Collectible: Classic, vintage, historic, antique, modified, sports, muscle, special interest vehicles all have one thing in common – they are collectible and their owners are collectors. They are not driven to accomplish the mundane chores of daily life, they are driven for enjoyment. Collectables are not sold by the motor trade. Most are bought and sold by enthusiasts, with a few specialists dealing in the high end of the market. Our focus is solely on collectibles.

PROBLEM

VIN and WOF: The NZTA Regulations for first-import inspection (VIN) and six-month warrant of fitness (WOF) are written for the motor trade that sells daily drivers. The VIN becomes a barrier to feeding the ecosystem of collectible vehicles by creating unreasonable charges and obstacles that are starving a $16.5 billion industry that represents one of the largest part of NZ’s living history.

The VIN is to keep cowboy importers from bringing in crash and water damaged vehicles they represent as good. The 3-year WOF for new cars is to enable new car dealers to sell more new cars, as their buyers trade them in to not be bothered with the year-3 WOF. The 6-month WOF for older cars – and now the motor trade lobbying to make it a rolling cutoff – covers cars outside the used-car dealer market. It is not based on any evidence correlated with death, injury or property damage; it is driven by the pecuniary interest of the motor trade.

SOLUTION

First time VIN: Remove for collectible cars 30+ years since manufacture. Replace with Certified FOMC inspection that is fit for purpose.

WOF: Eliminate 6 month WOF (no evidence it prevents death, injury, damage). 1 year WOF to age 30. Five-year WOF to age 40. WOF exempt on 40+ (but police can order WOF at any time on suspicion of safety concerns).

RE-VIN: Eliminate on lapsed rego. Issue Rego on lapsed after passes WOF. Keep in system for 10 years.

HOTROD: Invite specialist clubs to develop suitable rules for approving safe modifications

TAX: Eliminate the road user tax on collectible cars (in rego or RUC)

 

Example: The life cycle of a collectible

All collectible cars begin as new cars. Some are lost to crashes, corrosion or sufficient depreciation to not merit repair. They end up in the crusher. This Alfa Romeo 105 Spider began in Italy. It was shipped and sold new in the United States. In 1980, it was involved in a crash. At 11 years old, it was almost scrapped. It was not yet a collectible, just an old damaged car. It was saved from an early death by the President of the New England Alfa Romeo Club who had it fully restored as a road rally car. It was also repainted a different colour. It was later sold and the 4th owner neglected it – at risk once again, the fifth owner began a surface restoration. New paint, refurbishment of mechanicals as needed.

In 1997, the fifth owner, shipped it to New Zealand under the migrant concession. While it was in presentable condition, the usual corrosion typical of Italian cars of that era merited a complete restoration. NZ had some of the world’s top restorers and one of them had made a series of original pattern floor panels to restore the floor to its original design.

 The new OEM equivalent floors, sills and guards were welded in by a top Auckland restoration shop (now closed). However, while that was underway, the rules changed with a rule requiring any evidence of repair or under seal was an automatic fail, requiring it go to a repair certifier.

The certifier required invasive inspection that would require cutting apart the new work, high-pressure water-blasting of all protective coatings and an estimate of $10,000 when there was clearly nothing unsafe about the car. Instead the owner took it home in 2003, where it has remained parked since.

If the regulations are not changed, in 2025, it will be listed on bringatrailer.com, sold and shipped to the northern hemisphere. NZ will have lost one more collectible.

VIN: Not suitable for collectibles

The OLD VIN was reasonable

This was a VIN inspection form in 1998. It checked the concerns to ensure the vehicle was safe. This was replaced by a new VIN regime after rogue Kiwi used car importers purchased flood damaged, written-off cars in Japan and sold them as good cars in NZ. The motor trade association was happy with the new rules because it helped them police their industry. Problem: the collectible car industry was not at the table and it became collateral damage.

For a collectible vehicle, a $500 inspection is unnecessary, adding a significant barrier to the health of the collectible ecosystem. Worse, it means an instant fail on 99% of collectible imports, easily adding $11,000 to on-road costs.

There are two philosophies on regulation.

Pragmatic: One says regulations are needed when the people do not police themselves. Regulations are only brought in when the statistics show they are needed. In the collectible motor vehicle sector there are no such statistics. Collectibles are statistically safe, even if they don’t have the computerised safety elements of new cars? Why? Because their owners know how to drive, cherish their vehicles and don’t drive stupid. Crash statistics show what causes injury and death. It’s not the car, it’s bad, impaired or distracted drivers, sometimes complicated by badly-engineered roads.

Obstructive: The other philosophy on regulation lives within regulatory organisations that protect themselves from public criticism and believe everything must be regulated. These regulators are happy to spend other people’s money, and while they ostensibly use a process of consultation, experience shows they hear mostly from those with a pecuniary interest.

The ordinary people who end up paying the bill only complain once the rule is locked in. The regulators tell them they are too late to complain.

The NEW VIN is not

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Entry certification 3-4 is a good example of collateral damage.

A late model JDM import should not show signs of repair, rust prevention, surface rust mitigation (acid wash) or undersealing because that suggests it is a substandard import. Unlike most countries that import new cars that then circulate as used, NZ buys vast quantities of Japanese cast-offs. Japan’s automobile manufacturers lobby for rules that encourage Japanese domestic buyers to buy new, thus good used RHD cars find a market in New Zealand. For these cars, rule 3-4 protects Kiwi buyers.

In contrast, almost every collectible – a motor vehicle over 30 years of age (or younger in a few cases) can be expected to fail rule 3-4. At a minimum, it will have undercoating. Most will have had a body repair at some stage, and some will have corrosion, but not to the extent of making the vehicle unsafe.

However, these collectors do not need the same consumer protections, they know they are buying an old vehicle that will need work – that’s part of the fun of it… bringing something back to life. Taking a candidate for the crusher and giving it new life that may outlast the collector who discovered it.

The answer is not to amend Rule 3-4, because it still leaves an inspection not fit for purpose, but as an immediate amendment, it would help the collectible industry.

It is wrong that collectibles should automatically fail on rule 3-4, meaning the $500 inspection fee is lost because it will take more than 28 days to secure the repair certifier’s certificate. But where it gets much worse is what the certifier demands.

Based on first-hand experience, it begins with a demand to have a high-pressure water blaster strip off all undercoating and paint. This costs about $1,000, and undoes the recent work of a restorer. Then they can require the client’s panel beater cut holes in the undercarriage to inspect inside. There is no limit, and no appeal. Do it, pay for it, or don’t get the certificate.  Typical cost including repairing the invasive damage is $10,000 or more, plus a second $500 VIN inspection.


Of course, some collectibles will come into the country needing extensive restoration such as this Bristol Zagato 406, found in a UK wrecking yard with a tree growing through the engine bay, now fully restored by a NZ enthusiast and worth about $250,000. It is part of the $16.5 billion wealth of the collectible sector.

 

In the UK, cars over 40 are exempt from MOT (WOF). Why not in NZ?

In the UK,

one of the most regulated nations on the planet, cars over 40 are exempt from MOT (WOF), are charged no road tax, may drive in ULEZ zones and have a simple, practical first-time registration inspection. So why is it so different in NZ? Because until now, no one has challenged the system.

The UK chose to exempt collectible cars by a convincing argument that they are safe without needing a third party to warrant their safety. Almost all are kept as second vehicles. They are not the driver’s primary mode of transportation. The statistics show most cars that have reached the required age for tax exemption aren’t used for everyday driving; they have become a collector’s item.

The UK found that taxing collectible cars the same as daily drivers caused the cost of ownership to soar, especially because collectors frequently own multiple collectibles even though they only drive one at a time, and usually in daylight, good weather and avoid congestion.

The UK values its living history, and in this the fleet of collectible motor vehicles plays an important part. The preservation of it is not done by well-funded museums, but by ordinary citizens who invest time and money to keep automotive history alive.

A fixed pool – no one makes new collectible vehicles.

The collectible car market is by definition fixed. No one makes new 30 year old cars, thus over time, the pool diminishes. Some cars deteriorate, especially if not driven regularly (more than once a month). They get to a point where the cost of maintenance, or if let go, the cost of restoration, exceeds the collector’s budget and the market value of the car. At that point it falls out of the pool, one less car in the total ever made.

Cost and time:

$85 for a WOF may not seem like a lot for the owner of a daily driver, but when it is every six months, and the collector owns seven collectibles as well as their one or two family cars, the WOF for the collectibles hits $1,200 and takes 14 days a year out of their life. And the WOF inspector may not know what to look for. For example, one collectible military 4×4 is designed to have bearings that have slight play in them. The inspector says they will fail until the owner shows the documents from 42 years ago stating the allowable tolerances. This is repeated every six months, and if the inspector disagrees, it’s a fail.

 

 

We propose

to follow the French model for cars 30-40 years of age, where the WOF is every five years, and the British model for cars over 40, where the cars are exempt from WOF (MOT).

At any time, the police can stop a car and if they determine it is unsafe (for example, a bald tyre), they can order a WOF inspection regardless of age.

Why?

Collectible cars are safe. The proof is in the statistics

The proof is in the cost of insurance.

Insurance companies assess risk, and their policies for collectibles cost 20% of the cost to insure daily drivers. Why? Because their owners are older, safer drivers and they cherish their cars. They drive for pleasure, which means driving in better conditions for a start. Most drive in daylight, avoiding bad weather, and choose open roads, not stuck in rush hour. They tend to focus on their driving, not eating, drinking coffee, talking on the phone,  or yelling at the kids. They protect their collectible, they take care of it. They are more attuned to the sounds, the feel, the signals a car gives when something needs attention. They typically will know and fix something wrong before it gets to the WOF inspection. To own a collectible, one either must know how to work on it, or have a good independent mechanic nearby. Most know more about their collectibles than the WOF inspector.

WOF not fit for collectibles: Many collectibles, for example, have a body built on a separate frame. Inspectors used to looking at a monocoque body will have no understanding of the engineering. Read the comments in the petition where collectors tell their story.

 

 

 

No Re-Vin on a lapsed rego

Makes no sense

Why is one car with rego on hold (form MR24) deemed safe on the road when the rego is renewed and WOF while the same car where the form was not filed deemed unsafe, requiring an expensive VIN inspection?

Answer: No one has an answer, it’s just regulatory creep.

If a car has its rego lapsed, keep it in the system for ten years. Allow it to be renewed the same as trailers, but require that it undergo a WOF before the rego renewal can go into effect.

 

No Road Tax

In the UK, no road tax on cars 40+ years old

The rego charge includes road tax which is appropriate for daily drivers that drive an average of 14,000 KM. In contrast, according to the Federation’s survey, collectible vehicles drive an average of 3,700 km. The mean average number of cars per owner is 4.1, but they only drive one car at a time.

In the UK, rather than reduce the road tax to reflect the lower use, they simply determined that all collectibles over 40 years of age would pay no road tax. They still have to keep the rego current, but renewal is free.

It is recommended NZ follow the same practice.

 

HOTRODS – amend the rules to let their clubs propose their regs

Peer Knowledge

Hotrods are safe. They are works of art. They are modified vehicles that do not fit the Daily Driver rules, thus find excessive costs and delays that serve no good purpose.

Invite the hot rod associations to develop a set of rules that describes how they modify vehicles, how they ensure they are safe on the road, and how they can police their own without enriching certified inspectors.

Hot rods is a broad definition. Let the associations come up with a precise definition, and how they should be inspected to ensure safety.

Responsible adults

Car people know their cars, often better than approved inspectors. They do not put their hours and money at risk by driving an unsafe vehicle. It’s time to respect them as mature adults who know what they are doing. They don’t need external regulators to tell them how to ensure their hobby remains safe.

 

To Do: Create the List

What is a collectible car?

  • If it’s over 50 years of age, it’s a collectible by survival
  • It’s over 30 years old and it is on the collectible list by make/model
  • It’s not on the list, but by rego number is deemed a collectible 

Start with this list. Remove all makes that are new…  Then identify the makes that may include old bangers – not all 40 year old Toyotas will be collectible, even if they are still on the road. What’s left is version 1 of the collectible list.


A
A.J. Miller
AAC
Aaglander
Abadal
Abarth
Abbott-Detroit
ABT
AC Cars
AC Propulsion
AC Schnitzer
Acadian
Access Motor
Ace
Acme
Acura
Adam
Adams-Farwell
Adler
Adly
AEC
Aeolus
Aeon
Aeon Motor
Aero
AEV
AGA
Aion
Aitekx
AITO
AIWAYS
Aixam-Mega
Ajax
AJS
Aland
Albar
Albion
ALCO
Alfa Romeo
Allard
Alldays & Onions
Allemano
Allen
Allen Iron & Steel
Allstate
Alpheon
ALPINA
Alpine
Altas
Alvis
AM General
AMC
American Austin
American Bantam
American LaFrance
American Motors
Amilcar
Amphicar
Anadol
Anasagasti
Andorra
Apollo
Apperson
Applus+ IDIADA
Aprilia
Arab
Arash
Arcfox
Arctic Cat
Arden
Argyll
Ariel
ARK
Armstrong Siddeley
Arnolt
Arnolt-Bristol
Arnolt-MG
Aro
Arrinera
Artega
AS Domžale
ASA
ASC
Ascari
Ascot-Pullin Motorcycles
Asia
Aspark
Aspid
Asquith Motors
Aston Martin
Asüna
Atala
Atalanta
ATK
ATS
Auburn
Audi
Aurus
Austin
Austin-Healey
Austro-Daimler
Auto Union
Autobacs
Autobianchi
Automobiles Grégoire
Automobili Pininfarina
Autostudi
Autozam
Avanti
Avatar
Avatr
Avions Voisin
AWZ
B
B Engineering
B.S.A.
BAC
BAIC
Baker Electric
Balbo
Ballot
Baltasar
Baltijas Džips
Bandini
Baojun
Barkas
Barnard
BAW
Bean Cars
Beaumont
Beck
Bedford
Bellanger
Bellier
Belsize
Beltoise
Benelli
Bengala
Bentley
Benz
Berg
Berkeley
Berliet
Bertone
Bestune
Besturn
Beta
Biddle
Bieber
Bimota
BINZ
Bio Auto
Bird Motorcycles
Bisu
Bitter
Bizzarrini
BMC
BMW
Boano
Bodin
Bogdan
Bollinger
Bolwell
Bond
Boneschi
Borgward
Brabham
Brabus
Brasier
Brasinca
Bravia-Mobil
Brennabor
Bricklin
Bridgestone
Briggs-Detroiter
Brilliance
Briscoe
Bristol
BRM
Brooke & Company
Brooke Cars
Brough Superior
BRP
Brush
Brush Traction
BSA
BSA Motorcycles
Bucciali
Buell
Bufori
Bugatti
Bugatti – revived
Buick
Bultaco
Burton
Byton
C
Cabby
Cadillac
Cagiva
Calcott
Callaway
Calthorpe
Campagna
Can-Am
CANAM
Caparo
Caravans International
Carbodies
Caresto
Carlsson
Cartercar
Carver
Casalini
Castagna
Caterham
CAV
CCM
Ceirano
Challenger
Chalmers
Chalmers-Detroit
Chamonix
Champion
Chandler
Changan
Changfeng
Changhe
Charron
Chatenet
Checker
Cheetah
Chenard-Walcker
Chery
Chevrolet
Christie
Chrysler
Chrysler Ghia
CHTC
Chuanl
Ciimo
Cisitalia
Citroën
City Transformer
Cizeta
Classifieds search
Clément & Cie
Clément-Bayard
Clénet
Cleveland
Clipper
Clyno
CMC
CMC (CN)
Cobera
Coda
Cole
Coleman Milne
Colli
Columbia
Commer
Compound
Concorde
Connaught
Conquest Vehicles
Continental
Cooper
Coradir
Corbellati
Corbin
Cord
Corre La Licorne
Costin
Cottin & Desgouttes
Cournil
Covert
Covin
Cowin
CPI Motor
Crayford
Croatia
Crosley
Crossley
Cunningham
CUPRA
Cushman
CZ
Czinger
D
Dacia
Dadi
Daewoo
DAF
dÄHLer
Daihatsu
Daimler
Daimler MG
Dallara
Darracq
Dartz
Datsun
David Brown
Davis
DC Design
De Dietrich
De Dion-Bouton
De La Chapelle
De Tomaso
Delage
Delahaye
Delin
Dellow
DeLorean
Denza
Denzel
Derways
DeSoto
DeTomaso
Detroit Electric
DEUS
Deutsch-Bonnet
Devaliet
Devalliet
Devel
Devin
Devon
DFSK
Diatto
Dinan
DKW
Dodge
Dongfeng
Doninvest
Donkervoort
Dorcen
Dorris
DR
Dragon
Drako
DS
Dual-Ghia
Ducati
Duesenberg
Duesenberg II
duPont
Durant
Duryea
Duryea Power
E
Eadon Green
Eagle
ECar
Ecoist
EDAG
Edo Competition
Edsel
Edwards
Eldredge
Elemental
Elfin
Elizalde
Elmore
Elnagh
Elstar Motorcycles
Elva
Emgrand
Emme
EMW
Engler
English
Englon
Eniak
Enranger
Envoy
Eon Motors
ERL
Erskine
Essex
Estrema
Eterniti
Eunos
Eura Mobil
EV Adapt
Everus
EVT
Exagon
Excalibur
Excelsior
ɛ̃fini
F
FAB Design
Facel Vega
Fairthorpe
Falcon
Faraday Future
Farboud
Fargo
Farnova
FAW
Federal Coach
Felber
Felino
Fendt
FENIKSBUS
Ferqui
Ferrari
Fiat
Fisker
Flint
Flying Merkel
FN
FNM
Foday
Force
Ford
Ford Trucks
Ford-Vairogs
Fordson
Fornasari
Forveda
Fox
Foxtron
FPV
Fram-King
Frankia
Franklin
Frazer
Frazer Nash
Frazer Nash-BMW
Fredonia
Freightliner
Frisky
Frontenac
FSO
Fuldamobil
G
G-Power
GAC
Galpin
Garavini
GAZ
Geely
GEM
Gemballa
General Motors
Genesis
Genty
Geo
GFG Style
Ghia
Gilbern
Gillet
Ginetta
Giottiline
Glas
Glassic
Glasspar
Gleagle
GLM
GMC
Gobron-Brillié
Goggomobil
Goliath
Gonow
Gordon Murray
Gordon-Keeble
Goupil
Graham-Paige
Grant
Great Wall
Grecav
Grech RV
Greeves Motorcycles
Grenville
Griffith
Grout
Grumman
GSC
GTA Motor
GTM
Guanci
Gumpert
Gumpert AIWAYS
Gurgel
Gutbrod
H
H.E. Hall & co.
Hafei
Haima
Hamann
Hamelbot
Hanomag
Hanomag-Henschel
Hansa
Hanteng
Hardman
Harley-Davidson
Harrods
Hartge
Harvard
Haval
Hawtai
Haynes-Apperson
Healey
Hehn Mobil
HEICO
Heinkel
Henderson
Hennessey
Henney
Henry J
Henschel
Hercules
Hildebrand & Wolfmuller
Hillman
Hindustan
Hino
HiPhi
Hispano-Suiza
HM Vehicles
Hodaka
Hoffmann
Holden
Holsman
Hommell
Honda
Hongqi
Hopium
Horch
Horwin
Hotchkiss
HRG
HSV
HTT
Huanghai
Huansu
Huasong
Hudson
Hugos
Hulme
Humber
Hummer
Hungary
Hupmobile
Hurtan
Hurtu
Husaberg
Husqvarna
Hybrid Kinetic
Hyosung
Hyperion
Hyundai
I
I.DE.A
IAT
Icona
Iconiq Motors
IFA
IFR Automotive
IKA
IKCO
IM
Imperial
IMZ
Indcar
INDI
Indian
Ineos
Inferno
Infiniti
Innocenti
Innocenti Scooter
Innoson
Inter-State
Intermeccanica
Intermeccanica
International (IHC)
International Harvester
Invacar
Invicta
Irisbus
Irmãos Mota
Isdera
Iso
Isotta Fraschini
Isuzu
Italdesign
Iveco
Iveco Bus
Izh
J
JAC
Jaecoo
Jaguar
Jannarelly
Jawa
JDM
Jeep
Jeffery
Jensen
Jensen-Healey
Jetour
Jetta
Jonway
Jordan
Joss
Jösse Car
Jowett
Jurassic Truck
K
Kahn Design
Kaipan
Kaiser
Kalmar Verkstad
Kandi
Karabag
Karma
KAvZ
Kawasaki
Kawei
Kellison
Ken Okuyama Design
Kentucky Camp
Kewet
KGM
KHM
Kia
Kieft
Kissel
Kleemann
Kleinschnittger
Knight
Knox
Koenigsegg
Krastin
Krugger
KTM
Kurtis
KVAB
Kyburz
L
Lada
LaFayette
Laffite
Laforza
Lagonda
Lamborghini
Lanchester
Lancia
Land Rover
Landwind
Laraki
LaSalle
Laurin & Klement
Laverda
LDV
Le Voyageur
Lea-Francis
Leap Motor
LeEco
Lenham
Leopard
LEVC
Lexus
Leyland
Li Auto
Lifan
Lightyear
Ligier
Lincoln
Lister
Lloyd
LMC Caravan
Lobini
Local Motors
Locomobile
Lola
Lomax
Lombardi
Lorinser
Lotus
LTI
LuAZ
Lucid Motors
Lumma Design
Lusitano
Luvly
Luxeed
Luxgen
LVCHI
Lynk & Co
Lyonheart
M
M & L
Magirus
Magirus-Deutz
Magna Steyr
Magnum
Mahindra
Maico
Mako
Malibu
Mallock
MAN
MANHART
Mansory
Manta
Marauder
March
Marcopolo
Marcos
Marmon
Marquette
Marussia
Maruti
Maserati
Mastretta
Matchless
Mathis
Matra
Maxton
Maxus
Maxwell
Maybach
Mazda
Mazzanti
McLaren
McLaren
McLaughlin
McLouis
Meier
Melkus
Mercedes
Mercedes-Benz
Mercer
Mercury
Merkur
Merlyn
Messerschmitt
Meteor
Metropolitan
Metz
MEV
Meyra
MG
Micro
Micro-Vett
Microcar
Mikrus
Miles
Minelli
Minerva
MINI
Mitsubishi
Mitsuoka
Miura
MMI
Mobility Ventures
Mobilize
Mobilvetta
Mohs
Monaco
Monarch
Monte Carlo
Montesa
Monteverdi
Moon
Morelo
Moretti
Morgan
Morocco
Morris
Moskvich
Mosler
Moto Guzzi
Moto Morini
Motobloc
Motor-Piper
MP Lafer
MTM
MTX
Munch
Muntz
Murtaya
Mustang
MV Agusta
N
NamX
NanoFlowcell
Napier
Naran
Nash
Nash-Healey
National
Neckar
Neta
NEVS
Niesmann+Bischoff
Nilsson
NIO
Nissan
Nobe
Nobel
Nordic
Northern
Norton
Nota
Novitec
NSU
O
O.S.C.A.
Oakland
Oettinger
Ohta
Oldsmobile
Oltcit
Omoda
Opel
ORA
OSC
OSCA
OSI
Ossa
OTAS
Oullim
Overland
P
Packard
Pagani
Paige
Pakistan
PAL-V
Palomino RV
Panhard
Panoz
Panther
Panther Motorcycles
Pantore
PAZ
Peel
Peerless
Pegaso
Pennington
Penton
Perodua
Peugeot
PGO
Phantom
Phelps Motor Vehicle
Phillips
PhoeniX
Piëch
Pierce Manufacturing
Pierce-Arrow
Pininfarina
Piper Cars
PK
Playboy
Plymouth
Pogea Racing
Polar
Polaris
Pollmann
Pontiac
Pope
Pope-Hartford
Pope-Toledo
Porsche
Pössl
Praga
Premier
Princess
Prodrive
Proton
Puma
Puritalia
Q
Qiantu
Qiteng
Qoros
Qvale
R
Radar
Radical
RAF
Rally
Ralt
RAM
Rambler
Ranger
Ranz
Ravon
Razor
REAF
Regal
Reliant
Rely
Renault
Renault Samsung
Renault Trucks
RENNtech
REO
Reynard
Rezvani
RGNT
Riich
Riley
Rimac
Rimor
Rinspeed
Riversimple
Rivian
Rochet-Schneider
Rockne
Roding
Roewe
Roller Team
Rolls-Royce
Rometsch
Ronart
Roosevelt
Rošero
Rossion
Rotrax
Roush
Rover
Royal
Royal Enfield
Royale
RS Motorhomes
RTR
RUF
Rugby
Russo-Balt
S
S.A.R.A.
Saab
Sabra
SAIC
Saipa
Saleen
Salmson
Sandusky Automobile
Santana
Sanyou
Saturn
Sbarro
Scion
Scott Motorcycle
Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus
SEAT
SeAZ
Sebring-Vanguard
Secma
Sector111
Sehol
Selve
Senova
Seres
Shayton
Shelby
Shell
Siam Di Tella
Siata
SILCCO
Silence
Silverstone
Simca
Simplex
Simson
Sin Cars
Sinclair
Singer
Sinogold
Sinski
Ski-Doo
Škoda
Skywell
SMA
Smart
SMZ
SOL
Solifer
Sony
Soueast
Spectre
Speedwell
Spyker
Squire
Sri Lanka
SRT
SS Car
SSC
Stabilimenti Farina
Standard
Stanley
Star
Star (UK)
STARTECH
Statesman
Stearns-Knight
Sterling
Stevens-Duryea
Steyr
Steyr-Daimler-Puch
Stoewer
Studebaker
Stutz
Subaru
Sunbeam
Sunbeam-Talbot
Sunlight
Sussita
Suzuki
SVE
SVS
Swallow
Swebe
SWM
T
T-King
TagAZ
Talbot
Talbot-Lago
TARK
Tata
Tatra
Tauro
Tazzari
TEC
TechArt
Techrules
Tedson
Tekaydinlar
Terraplane
Tesla
Thai Rung
The Detroit Eletric
Thomas
Thulin
Thunder Power
Tiga
TMS
TMZ
Tofaş
Togg
Toroidion
Touring Superleggera
Toyota
Trabant
Tramontana
TransAm Depot
Traum
Tri-Star
Trident
Trigano
Trion
Triumph
Trojan
Troller
Trumpchi
Tucker
Turner
Tushek
TVR
UAZ
UGBEST
Ultima
UMM
Unic
UNO
UNVI
UralZIS
V
Vabis
Valiant
Van Diemen
Vanda Electrics
Vanden Plas
Vanderhall
Varsovia
Vauxhall
VAZ
VB Automotive
Vector Motors
Vega
Vehixel
Velocette
Vencer
Vento
Venturi
Venucia
Veritas
Vespa
Vest
Vignale
Viking
Vincent Motorcycles
VinFast
Viotti
Viritech
VIS
VLF
Volkswagen
VOLT
Volvo
Volvo Construction Equipment
Vortex
Voyah
VPMZ
VUHL
W
W Motors
Wallys
Wanderer
Wartburg
Warwick
Weber
Weiwang
Westfalia Mobil
Westfield
Wey
Whippet
Whizzer
Wiesmann
Willys
Willys-Jeep
Willys-Overland
Winnebago
Winton
Wolseley
Woodill
Worblaufen
Y
Yale
Yamaha
Yangwang
Yankee
Yaxa
Yema
Yes!
Youngman Lotus
Yugo
Yulon
Z
Zagato
ZAP
Zarooq Motors
Zastava
ZAZ
Zeekr
Zender
Zenith Motorcycles
ZENN
Zenos
Zenvo
Zhongyu
ZiL
Zimmer
Zinoro
ZiS
ZNA
Zoe
Zotye
Zündapp
ZX

The List V1.0

The list is technically simple. Identify every make that is a collectible by default (any Bentley, Ferrari or Bitter). Then identify models that are collectible, even if other models are not (Honda NSX, Corvette). The list in the column to the left has over a thousand makes, while the number of daily drivers (Toyota, Ford, VW) has perhaps twenty or thirty manufacturers. Some vehicles will be defined by option package such as a 2000 Range Rover Holland and Holland edition that is now becoming a collectible (100 RHD were made). While one would think a Toyota Corolla was a garden variety daily driver, a look on TradeMe finds 1984 Corollas asking $70,000 – clearly a collectible albeit by rego number, not any 1984 Corolla still on the road.

The importance of the list

  1. It makes clear the Federation is limiting amendments to regulations to collectible motor vehicles.  This will cut off the naysayers yes-butting by citing hoon cars that are old bangers, not collectible.
  2. It establishes the Federation as the NZ authority who can speak for the whole industry.
  3. It gives NZTA the template to merge into its system to classify what qualifies as a collectible.

Then work on Version 2.0

Creating the list is not hard. It begins with the column in the left column and crowdsources member clubs to vet. 

Version 2.0 is where the list becomes of lasting value.

In V2.0, the Federation buys disk space on a server and invites qualified clubs and forums (worldwide) to record important information on each make, model, year-range and grouping (such as different engines). It becomes a Wikipedia of motor vehicle knowledge.

Create the headings, beginning with descriptions, features, options, reviews. Then break down headings the same as found in a repair manual.  Engine, transmission, body, interior, etc. Each club or online forum is then invited to populate their site with knowledge that is now scattered all over the internet and at risk of being lost. Each make tends to have a few gurus with deep knowledge. For example, the late PapaJam on alfabb,com and alfaowner,com was a font of knowledge on 105 series Alfa Romeos, but all that remains are the postings he made in the forums. Once they are gone, there is a real risk of losing that knowledge, especially as forums are only as stable as the volunteers willing to keep them going. And within the forums, finding the gems among the dross is always a major problem.

With new cars, the factory repair manual works fine, provided you take it to the dealer who has all the tools, the diagnostics and the parts. But when a vehicle gets to 30+, that manual is not so helpful.

  • Beware these bolts snap. Here’s how to get them out.
  • There has to be an easier way to replace a part than taking apart half the car.
  • Part no longer available, but here is a workaround (or did you know the same part is on a [insert make]
  • Here is a tool I made with machine-shop drawings for you to replicate.

Initially, this will be populated by volunteers who trawl their forums for knowledge. But ongoing, contributors will be asked to document new knowledge (If your SLK R170 suddenly throws up a Christmas tree of error lights on the dash, it may be microcracks in the soldering of the ECU – it’s a Chrysler era problem).  A template will show how to do a proper documentation, complete with photographs. Others may add knowledge, but each moderator will be asked to cull out the superfluous commentary. As the motor vehicles grow older, and their current custodians pass away, this resource will become invaluable.

Eventually the Federation may reach out to its peers in other countries, such as the Fédération française des véhicules d’époque (FFVE), to invite them to contribute knowledge in their languages, making V2.0 a global project of cooperation.

All the Federation does is to create the framework and issue the invitations. Ongoing it funds the cost of the servers, and ensures there are sufficient backups to preserve the knowledge in perpetuity or until the last collectible returns to dust. 


SAMPLE V.2 entry

Make: Alfa Romeo

Model: 105

Spec: US Only

Subject: Dual Brake system

In order to meet US safety rules, in 1969, Alfa Romeo changed the design of the hydraulic ATE brakes to a dual system. This design requires a different method of bleeding. It is recommended to buy speed-bleeders ( M8 x 1.25 front and M7 x 1.0 rear. Clutch slave is M7 as well). If you prefill the calipers, it goes faster. To bleed, both front and rear bleeders must be open at the same time. It works easier if you use a pressure bleeder (40 psi at the brake cylinder where you add brake fluid).