To Do: Create the List

What is a collectible car?

  • If it’s over 50 years of age, it’s a collectible by survival
  • It’s over 30 years old and it is on the collectible list by make/model
  • It’s not on the list, but by rego number is deemed a collectible 

Start with this list. Remove all makes that are new…  Then identify the makes that may include old bangers – not all 40 year old Toyotas will be collectible, even if they are still on the road. What’s left is version 1 of the collectible list.


A
A.J. Miller
AAC
Aaglander
Abadal
Abarth
Abbott-Detroit
ABT
AC Cars
AC Propulsion
AC Schnitzer
Acadian
Access Motor
Ace
Acme
Acura
Adam
Adams-Farwell
Adler
Adly
AEC
Aeolus
Aeon
Aeon Motor
Aero
AEV
AGA
Aion
Aitekx
AITO
AIWAYS
Aixam-Mega
Ajax
AJS
Aland
Albar
Albion
ALCO
Alfa Romeo
Allard
Alldays & Onions
Allemano
Allen
Allen Iron & Steel
Allstate
Alpheon
ALPINA
Alpine
Altas
Alvis
AM General
AMC
American Austin
American Bantam
American LaFrance
American Motors
Amilcar
Amphicar
Anadol
Anasagasti
Andorra
Apollo
Apperson
Applus+ IDIADA
Aprilia
Arab
Arash
Arcfox
Arctic Cat
Arden
Argyll
Ariel
ARK
Armstrong Siddeley
Arnolt
Arnolt-Bristol
Arnolt-MG
Aro
Arrinera
Artega
AS Domžale
ASA
ASC
Ascari
Ascot-Pullin Motorcycles
Asia
Aspark
Aspid
Asquith Motors
Aston Martin
Asüna
Atala
Atalanta
ATK
ATS
Auburn
Audi
Aurus
Austin
Austin-Healey
Austro-Daimler
Auto Union
Autobacs
Autobianchi
Automobiles Grégoire
Automobili Pininfarina
Autostudi
Autozam
Avanti
Avatar
Avatr
Avions Voisin
AWZ
B
B Engineering
B.S.A.
BAC
BAIC
Baker Electric
Balbo
Ballot
Baltasar
Baltijas Džips
Bandini
Baojun
Barkas
Barnard
BAW
Bean Cars
Beaumont
Beck
Bedford
Bellanger
Bellier
Belsize
Beltoise
Benelli
Bengala
Bentley
Benz
Berg
Berkeley
Berliet
Bertone
Bestune
Besturn
Beta
Biddle
Bieber
Bimota
BINZ
Bio Auto
Bird Motorcycles
Bisu
Bitter
Bizzarrini
BMC
BMW
Boano
Bodin
Bogdan
Bollinger
Bolwell
Bond
Boneschi
Borgward
Brabham
Brabus
Brasier
Brasinca
Bravia-Mobil
Brennabor
Bricklin
Bridgestone
Briggs-Detroiter
Brilliance
Briscoe
Bristol
BRM
Brooke & Company
Brooke Cars
Brough Superior
BRP
Brush
Brush Traction
BSA
BSA Motorcycles
Bucciali
Buell
Bufori
Bugatti
Bugatti – revived
Buick
Bultaco
Burton
Byton
C
Cabby
Cadillac
Cagiva
Calcott
Callaway
Calthorpe
Campagna
Can-Am
CANAM
Caparo
Caravans International
Carbodies
Caresto
Carlsson
Cartercar
Carver
Casalini
Castagna
Caterham
CAV
CCM
Ceirano
Challenger
Chalmers
Chalmers-Detroit
Chamonix
Champion
Chandler
Changan
Changfeng
Changhe
Charron
Chatenet
Checker
Cheetah
Chenard-Walcker
Chery
Chevrolet
Christie
Chrysler
Chrysler Ghia
CHTC
Chuanl
Ciimo
Cisitalia
Citroën
City Transformer
Cizeta
Classifieds search
Clément & Cie
Clément-Bayard
Clénet
Cleveland
Clipper
Clyno
CMC
CMC (CN)
Cobera
Coda
Cole
Coleman Milne
Colli
Columbia
Commer
Compound
Concorde
Connaught
Conquest Vehicles
Continental
Cooper
Coradir
Corbellati
Corbin
Cord
Corre La Licorne
Costin
Cottin & Desgouttes
Cournil
Covert
Covin
Cowin
CPI Motor
Crayford
Croatia
Crosley
Crossley
Cunningham
CUPRA
Cushman
CZ
Czinger
D
Dacia
Dadi
Daewoo
DAF
dÄHLer
Daihatsu
Daimler
Daimler MG
Dallara
Darracq
Dartz
Datsun
David Brown
Davis
DC Design
De Dietrich
De Dion-Bouton
De La Chapelle
De Tomaso
Delage
Delahaye
Delin
Dellow
DeLorean
Denza
Denzel
Derways
DeSoto
DeTomaso
Detroit Electric
DEUS
Deutsch-Bonnet
Devaliet
Devalliet
Devel
Devin
Devon
DFSK
Diatto
Dinan
DKW
Dodge
Dongfeng
Doninvest
Donkervoort
Dorcen
Dorris
DR
Dragon
Drako
DS
Dual-Ghia
Ducati
Duesenberg
Duesenberg II
duPont
Durant
Duryea
Duryea Power
E
Eadon Green
Eagle
ECar
Ecoist
EDAG
Edo Competition
Edsel
Edwards
Eldredge
Elemental
Elfin
Elizalde
Elmore
Elnagh
Elstar Motorcycles
Elva
Emgrand
Emme
EMW
Engler
English
Englon
Eniak
Enranger
Envoy
Eon Motors
ERL
Erskine
Essex
Estrema
Eterniti
Eunos
Eura Mobil
EV Adapt
Everus
EVT
Exagon
Excalibur
Excelsior
ɛ̃fini
F
FAB Design
Facel Vega
Fairthorpe
Falcon
Faraday Future
Farboud
Fargo
Farnova
FAW
Federal Coach
Felber
Felino
Fendt
FENIKSBUS
Ferqui
Ferrari
Fiat
Fisker
Flint
Flying Merkel
FN
FNM
Foday
Force
Ford
Ford Trucks
Ford-Vairogs
Fordson
Fornasari
Forveda
Fox
Foxtron
FPV
Fram-King
Frankia
Franklin
Frazer
Frazer Nash
Frazer Nash-BMW
Fredonia
Freightliner
Frisky
Frontenac
FSO
Fuldamobil
G
G-Power
GAC
Galpin
Garavini
GAZ
Geely
GEM
Gemballa
General Motors
Genesis
Genty
Geo
GFG Style
Ghia
Gilbern
Gillet
Ginetta
Giottiline
Glas
Glassic
Glasspar
Gleagle
GLM
GMC
Gobron-Brillié
Goggomobil
Goliath
Gonow
Gordon Murray
Gordon-Keeble
Goupil
Graham-Paige
Grant
Great Wall
Grecav
Grech RV
Greeves Motorcycles
Grenville
Griffith
Grout
Grumman
GSC
GTA Motor
GTM
Guanci
Gumpert
Gumpert AIWAYS
Gurgel
Gutbrod
H
H.E. Hall & co.
Hafei
Haima
Hamann
Hamelbot
Hanomag
Hanomag-Henschel
Hansa
Hanteng
Hardman
Harley-Davidson
Harrods
Hartge
Harvard
Haval
Hawtai
Haynes-Apperson
Healey
Hehn Mobil
HEICO
Heinkel
Henderson
Hennessey
Henney
Henry J
Henschel
Hercules
Hildebrand & Wolfmuller
Hillman
Hindustan
Hino
HiPhi
Hispano-Suiza
HM Vehicles
Hodaka
Hoffmann
Holden
Holsman
Hommell
Honda
Hongqi
Hopium
Horch
Horwin
Hotchkiss
HRG
HSV
HTT
Huanghai
Huansu
Huasong
Hudson
Hugos
Hulme
Humber
Hummer
Hungary
Hupmobile
Hurtan
Hurtu
Husaberg
Husqvarna
Hybrid Kinetic
Hyosung
Hyperion
Hyundai
I
I.DE.A
IAT
Icona
Iconiq Motors
IFA
IFR Automotive
IKA
IKCO
IM
Imperial
IMZ
Indcar
INDI
Indian
Ineos
Inferno
Infiniti
Innocenti
Innocenti Scooter
Innoson
Inter-State
Intermeccanica
Intermeccanica
International (IHC)
International Harvester
Invacar
Invicta
Irisbus
Irmãos Mota
Isdera
Iso
Isotta Fraschini
Isuzu
Italdesign
Iveco
Iveco Bus
Izh
J
JAC
Jaecoo
Jaguar
Jannarelly
Jawa
JDM
Jeep
Jeffery
Jensen
Jensen-Healey
Jetour
Jetta
Jonway
Jordan
Joss
Jösse Car
Jowett
Jurassic Truck
K
Kahn Design
Kaipan
Kaiser
Kalmar Verkstad
Kandi
Karabag
Karma
KAvZ
Kawasaki
Kawei
Kellison
Ken Okuyama Design
Kentucky Camp
Kewet
KGM
KHM
Kia
Kieft
Kissel
Kleemann
Kleinschnittger
Knight
Knox
Koenigsegg
Krastin
Krugger
KTM
Kurtis
KVAB
Kyburz
L
Lada
LaFayette
Laffite
Laforza
Lagonda
Lamborghini
Lanchester
Lancia
Land Rover
Landwind
Laraki
LaSalle
Laurin & Klement
Laverda
LDV
Le Voyageur
Lea-Francis
Leap Motor
LeEco
Lenham
Leopard
LEVC
Lexus
Leyland
Li Auto
Lifan
Lightyear
Ligier
Lincoln
Lister
Lloyd
LMC Caravan
Lobini
Local Motors
Locomobile
Lola
Lomax
Lombardi
Lorinser
Lotus
LTI
LuAZ
Lucid Motors
Lumma Design
Lusitano
Luvly
Luxeed
Luxgen
LVCHI
Lynk & Co
Lyonheart
M
M & L
Magirus
Magirus-Deutz
Magna Steyr
Magnum
Mahindra
Maico
Mako
Malibu
Mallock
MAN
MANHART
Mansory
Manta
Marauder
March
Marcopolo
Marcos
Marmon
Marquette
Marussia
Maruti
Maserati
Mastretta
Matchless
Mathis
Matra
Maxton
Maxus
Maxwell
Maybach
Mazda
Mazzanti
McLaren
McLaren
McLaughlin
McLouis
Meier
Melkus
Mercedes
Mercedes-Benz
Mercer
Mercury
Merkur
Merlyn
Messerschmitt
Meteor
Metropolitan
Metz
MEV
Meyra
MG
Micro
Micro-Vett
Microcar
Mikrus
Miles
Minelli
Minerva
MINI
Mitsubishi
Mitsuoka
Miura
MMI
Mobility Ventures
Mobilize
Mobilvetta
Mohs
Monaco
Monarch
Monte Carlo
Montesa
Monteverdi
Moon
Morelo
Moretti
Morgan
Morocco
Morris
Moskvich
Mosler
Moto Guzzi
Moto Morini
Motobloc
Motor-Piper
MP Lafer
MTM
MTX
Munch
Muntz
Murtaya
Mustang
MV Agusta
N
NamX
NanoFlowcell
Napier
Naran
Nash
Nash-Healey
National
Neckar
Neta
NEVS
Niesmann+Bischoff
Nilsson
NIO
Nissan
Nobe
Nobel
Nordic
Northern
Norton
Nota
Novitec
NSU
O
O.S.C.A.
Oakland
Oettinger
Ohta
Oldsmobile
Oltcit
Omoda
Opel
ORA
OSC
OSCA
OSI
Ossa
OTAS
Oullim
Overland
P
Packard
Pagani
Paige
Pakistan
PAL-V
Palomino RV
Panhard
Panoz
Panther
Panther Motorcycles
Pantore
PAZ
Peel
Peerless
Pegaso
Pennington
Penton
Perodua
Peugeot
PGO
Phantom
Phelps Motor Vehicle
Phillips
PhoeniX
Piëch
Pierce Manufacturing
Pierce-Arrow
Pininfarina
Piper Cars
PK
Playboy
Plymouth
Pogea Racing
Polar
Polaris
Pollmann
Pontiac
Pope
Pope-Hartford
Pope-Toledo
Porsche
Pössl
Praga
Premier
Princess
Prodrive
Proton
Puma
Puritalia
Q
Qiantu
Qiteng
Qoros
Qvale
R
Radar
Radical
RAF
Rally
Ralt
RAM
Rambler
Ranger
Ranz
Ravon
Razor
REAF
Regal
Reliant
Rely
Renault
Renault Samsung
Renault Trucks
RENNtech
REO
Reynard
Rezvani
RGNT
Riich
Riley
Rimac
Rimor
Rinspeed
Riversimple
Rivian
Rochet-Schneider
Rockne
Roding
Roewe
Roller Team
Rolls-Royce
Rometsch
Ronart
Roosevelt
Rošero
Rossion
Rotrax
Roush
Rover
Royal
Royal Enfield
Royale
RS Motorhomes
RTR
RUF
Rugby
Russo-Balt
S
S.A.R.A.
Saab
Sabra
SAIC
Saipa
Saleen
Salmson
Sandusky Automobile
Santana
Sanyou
Saturn
Sbarro
Scion
Scott Motorcycle
Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus
SEAT
SeAZ
Sebring-Vanguard
Secma
Sector111
Sehol
Selve
Senova
Seres
Shayton
Shelby
Shell
Siam Di Tella
Siata
SILCCO
Silence
Silverstone
Simca
Simplex
Simson
Sin Cars
Sinclair
Singer
Sinogold
Sinski
Ski-Doo
Škoda
Skywell
SMA
Smart
SMZ
SOL
Solifer
Sony
Soueast
Spectre
Speedwell
Spyker
Squire
Sri Lanka
SRT
SS Car
SSC
Stabilimenti Farina
Standard
Stanley
Star
Star (UK)
STARTECH
Statesman
Stearns-Knight
Sterling
Stevens-Duryea
Steyr
Steyr-Daimler-Puch
Stoewer
Studebaker
Stutz
Subaru
Sunbeam
Sunbeam-Talbot
Sunlight
Sussita
Suzuki
SVE
SVS
Swallow
Swebe
SWM
T
T-King
TagAZ
Talbot
Talbot-Lago
TARK
Tata
Tatra
Tauro
Tazzari
TEC
TechArt
Techrules
Tedson
Tekaydinlar
Terraplane
Tesla
Thai Rung
The Detroit Eletric
Thomas
Thulin
Thunder Power
Tiga
TMS
TMZ
Tofaş
Togg
Toroidion
Touring Superleggera
Toyota
Trabant
Tramontana
TransAm Depot
Traum
Tri-Star
Trident
Trigano
Trion
Triumph
Trojan
Troller
Trumpchi
Tucker
Turner
Tushek
TVR
UAZ
UGBEST
Ultima
UMM
Unic
UNO
UNVI
UralZIS
V
Vabis
Valiant
Van Diemen
Vanda Electrics
Vanden Plas
Vanderhall
Varsovia
Vauxhall
VAZ
VB Automotive
Vector Motors
Vega
Vehixel
Velocette
Vencer
Vento
Venturi
Venucia
Veritas
Vespa
Vest
Vignale
Viking
Vincent Motorcycles
VinFast
Viotti
Viritech
VIS
VLF
Volkswagen
VOLT
Volvo
Volvo Construction Equipment
Vortex
Voyah
VPMZ
VUHL
W
W Motors
Wallys
Wanderer
Wartburg
Warwick
Weber
Weiwang
Westfalia Mobil
Westfield
Wey
Whippet
Whizzer
Wiesmann
Willys
Willys-Jeep
Willys-Overland
Winnebago
Winton
Wolseley
Woodill
Worblaufen
Y
Yale
Yamaha
Yangwang
Yankee
Yaxa
Yema
Yes!
Youngman Lotus
Yugo
Yulon
Z
Zagato
ZAP
Zarooq Motors
Zastava
ZAZ
Zeekr
Zender
Zenith Motorcycles
ZENN
Zenos
Zenvo
Zhongyu
ZiL
Zimmer
Zinoro
ZiS
ZNA
Zoe
Zotye
Zündapp
ZX

The List V1.0

The list is technically simple. Identify every make that is a collectible by default (any Bentley, Ferrari or Bitter). Then identify models that are collectible, even if other models are not (Honda NSX, Corvette). The list in the column to the left has over a thousand makes, while the number of daily drivers (Toyota, Ford, VW) has perhaps twenty or thirty manufacturers. Some vehicles will be defined by option package such as a 2000 Range Rover Holland and Holland edition that is now becoming a collectible (100 RHD were made). While one would think a Toyota Corolla was a garden variety daily driver, a look on TradeMe finds 1984 Corollas asking $70,000 – clearly a collectible albeit by rego number, not any 1984 Corolla still on the road.

The importance of the list

  1. It makes clear the Federation is limiting amendments to regulations to collectible motor vehicles.  This will cut off the naysayers yes-butting by citing hoon cars that are old bangers, not collectible.
  2. It establishes the Federation as the NZ authority who can speak for the whole industry.
  3. It gives NZTA the template to merge into its system to classify what qualifies as a collectible.

Then work on Version 2.0

Creating the list is not hard. It begins with the column in the left column and crowdsources member clubs to vet. 

Version 2.0 is where the list becomes of lasting value.

In V2.0, the Federation buys disk space on a server and invites qualified clubs and forums (worldwide) to record important information on each make, model, year-range and grouping (such as different engines). It becomes a Wikipedia of motor vehicle knowledge.

Create the headings, beginning with descriptions, features, options, reviews. Then break down headings the same as found in a repair manual.  Engine, transmission, body, interior, etc. Each club or online forum is then invited to populate their site with knowledge that is now scattered all over the internet and at risk of being lost. Each make tends to have a few gurus with deep knowledge. For example, the late PapaJam on alfabb,com and alfaowner,com was a font of knowledge on 105 series Alfa Romeos, but all that remains are the postings he made in the forums. Once they are gone, there is a real risk of losing that knowledge, especially as forums are only as stable as the volunteers willing to keep them going. And within the forums, finding the gems among the dross is always a major problem.

With new cars, the factory repair manual works fine, provided you take it to the dealer who has all the tools, the diagnostics and the parts. But when a vehicle gets to 30+, that manual is not so helpful.

  • Beware these bolts snap. Here’s how to get them out.
  • There has to be an easier way to replace a part than taking apart half the car.
  • Part no longer available, but here is a workaround (or did you know the same part is on a [insert make]
  • Here is a tool I made with machine-shop drawings for you to replicate.

Initially, this will be populated by volunteers who trawl their forums for knowledge. But ongoing, contributors will be asked to document new knowledge (If your SLK R170 suddenly throws up a Christmas tree of error lights on the dash, it may be microcracks in the soldering of the ECU – it’s a Chrysler era problem).  A template will show how to do a proper documentation, complete with photographs. Others may add knowledge, but each moderator will be asked to cull out the superfluous commentary. As the motor vehicles grow older, and their current custodians pass away, this resource will become invaluable.

Eventually the Federation may reach out to its peers in other countries, such as the Fédération française des véhicules d’époque (FFVE), to invite them to contribute knowledge in their languages, making V2.0 a global project of cooperation.

All the Federation does is to create the framework and issue the invitations. Ongoing it funds the cost of the servers, and ensures there are sufficient backups to preserve the knowledge in perpetuity or until the last collectible returns to dust. 


SAMPLE V.2 entry

Make: Alfa Romeo

Model: 105

Spec: US Only

Subject: Dual Brake system

In order to meet US safety rules, in 1969, Alfa Romeo changed the design of the hydraulic ATE brakes to a dual system. This design requires a different method of bleeding. It is recommended to buy speed-bleeders ( M8 x 1.25 front and M7 x 1.0 rear. Clutch slave is M7 as well). If you prefill the calipers, it goes faster. To bleed, both front and rear bleeders must be open at the same time. It works easier if you use a pressure bleeder (40 psi at the brake cylinder where you add brake fluid). 

 

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